it would be great if we could have an opinion from the Gnosis team
@mkoeppelmann ? @StefanGeorge ? please
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wen phase 3 ? wen snapshot link ? 
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Very much in favour of this proposal. Looking forward to the Snapshot vote.
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Big majority says: let’s get it done!
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Thank you for this proposal @smenaamix! I largely agree with some alternative suggestions.
Some comments:
A large amount of non-circulating GNO tokens is indeed a red flag for investors. I agree GNO token holders should send a strong signal about their view on the token supply and future emissions. In our own estimations, there won’t be a need for more than 3M GNO in circulation.
We could make a proposal to GnosisDAO to withdraw enough GNO tokens once to match the 3M GNO token supply with the goal of not touching the vesting contracts after this withdrawal again. This would be a soft-burn as the tokens are in theory still available but there is social consensus among GNO holders that they should not be touched. The total supply would be reduced to 3M GNO.
This is similar to many other DEFI protocols, which have a target total supply but still have a minting function in their ERC20 token to increase supply in case this is needed.
After the vote passes the total supply and the fully diluted valuation could be updated on websites like Coingecko and Coinmarketcap to reflect the GNO holder’s perspective.
Regarding the voting power of GnosisDAO: GnosisDAO cannot vote itself on Gnosis proposals or could do so only via a proposal itself, which doesn’t make too much sense anyway.
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I think this makes a lot of sense. A lot of investors misunderstand the GNO distribution and suspect that there is a lot of supply to be vested by early investors or that it is part of the GNO treasury listed on Openorgs/DeepDAO.
Just to clarify my understanding, the outcome would be the following taking Coingecko as an example:
Total Supply: 3,000,000
Circulating Supply: 1,865,027
- possibility to mint additional supply at the discretion of the DAO if necessary
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Yes, this would be the outcome!
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Thank you very much for your reply @StefanGeorge !
I agree your comment.
Do you think we should make a new proposal? Or is it possible to update this proposal?
(I am not very familiar with the processes of governance and I picked up this proposal from @Karpatkey because it was published on February 4th (more than 2 months) and the Gnosis community seems to support this proposal)
Very happy to learn this. That was the information I was missing.
Thank you!
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I think it is sufficient to update the existing proposal. The target total supply should be 3M GNO. The difference between the current circulating supply and the target supply can be withdrawn from the vesting contract once the proposal is accepted. GNO, which is held in the DAO contract is not considered circulating but part of the total supply. The remaining GNO in the vesting contract is not part of the circulating nor total supply.
For the snapshot proposal, we will craft the required transaction payload to withdraw the necessary GNO from the vesting contract. We will also prepare to update the APIs used by Coingecko and Coinmarketcap to reflect this change. I suggest posting the proposal in about 2 weeks’ time in phase 3. This gives enough time for everyone else to take a look at the proposal and prepare everything for execution.
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Perfect, thank you !
I just updated the proposal. If you see other updates, please let me know. English is not my native language so… ^^’
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This looks good! We will move it to phase 3 soon.
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I am in favour of drastically reducing the supply of GNO
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I hope that this can quickly be voted on and that the communication around this proposal (if accepted) will be well executed. I also suggest that to make the request to update other pages like Gnosis (GNO) | Binance Research
Already posted elsewhere the multitude of things one could use the treasury GNO for that doesn’t involve selling anything and effectively locking away the GNO to provide marker liquidity at price as well as provide a financial base to borrow (allowing for treasury expansion btw as well as stronger GNO price support)
Creating a GNO and/or GNODAI uniswap v2 LP that could have vaults on Maker gives GnosisDAI much greater flexibility in both providing GNO price support using an uncorrelated stable, and a large relative to GNO circulating cap. Literally GnosisDAO could use the GNO cap to borrow large amounts of DAI at ~2% that it could use to lever up other positions and returns.
I already know that Karpatkey is using Maker with curve stETH/ETH to borrow DAI with a Maker vault and lever up their position (which is good for the DAO)
Basically burning the supply reduces GNO overall market cap to ~1B, and worse should need arise the DAO will have to mint and dilute later (not a great look if this is decided). It is going to make it look like Gnosis value is shrinking vs. growing.
I watch GNO price and due to the significant GNO/ETH LP GNO price basically yo-yo’s with ETH where as pairing GNO with stables like DAI basically creates a much more stable GNO price, as well as higher LP returns. I have growing and significant data that Token-DAI LPs get almost 2x higher fees than Token-ETH pairs. I also have a small but significant set of data (with some notable exceptions) that communities that focus on Token-stable liquidity being the dominant component price decorrelate (to a greater extent) than communities that focus on Token-ETH liquidity.
GnosisDAO seems hell bent on both burning GNO and basically pumping up correlation on GNO/ETH and while this community is doing a number of positive things the GNO price still lives within the .11-.13 ETH/GNO price range which is barely book value as compared to the GnosisDAO treasury.
It is admirable that GnosisDAO has coupled its price to ETH for so long. Perhaps it is time to make a significant change so both the GNO price AND the market cap can finally grow by decoupling ETH from GNO and refocusing GNO liquidity on GNO-stable v2 LP (like GNO-DAI). Take the ETH stuck in these contracts and double down on stETH/ETH finally break the log jam limitation of ETH:GNO ratio price lock.
Free GNO price from ETH and use that ETH with stETH to both borrow to lever and earn return. This helps the Ethereum ecosystem, and helps Gnosis both at the same time. Perhaps making bold moves like the above, and doing something different might finally allow GNO price and market cap to appreciate.
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Hi Makerman, I like your posts with additional ideas, but it seems they fade away a bit here. Maybe good to make a separate forumpost or work together with karpatkey to setup some of your ideas and check what is needed and what is needed from GNO holders.
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I’m generally in favor of this proposal. However, don’t understand why we are choosing 3M GNO. Seems random to me. Why not 3.5M or 2.5M GNO? Was there some research conducted to support the number?
I’m in favor of this proposal, and i have a question : if not burned, how can we be sure that further proposal from the community couldn’t unlock these 7M GNO in the future ?
Support the reduction of the GNO supply.
But the specification section should be rewritten to be clearer. Some of the wording mixes current conditions with future state. Also, number conventions witb MM are not consistent globally. Gnosis DAO specifications should be clear to persons from any part of the Earth.
Appreciate that. Honestly few seem to listen and so I am content earning now 3000bps on my own portfolio and I have no incentive to further encourage the whales to take advantage dropping my returns even though I am pretty sure there is room for another 300-500M without too much of a return hit that could double GnosisDAO karpatkey treasury returns while also building liquidity tied to DAI. Karpatkey is already using Maker, Maker really wants more collateral and larger vault players. Literally a perfect match could be made for more stETH/ETH and Gnosis moving liquidity away from ETH and into GNODAI v2 and v3 LPs. There is absolutely no reason to burn 1.8B worth of collateral here, when it can be put to work for the DAO boosting weekly earnings way beyond $1M/week. imo.
Feel free to contact me via DM. Happy to consult with karpatkey for some GNO for consulting to help the DAO really kick treasury earnings into high gear. Can even tie 1/2 of the GNO fee to kpi’s on my suggestions btw. Burn the 6m GNO and the one pretty much resigns the DAO to dilution (via Gnosis chain incentives) and not building a strong GNO-DAI uniswap v2 which could be used to borrow and remain forever tied to ETH price dominating GNO price.
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