GIP-143: Should the GnosisDAO Terminate karpatkey Treasury Management Services?

I’m aligned on most points. But running an RFP while the current treasury manager is still in place is backwards. First, you signal dissatisfaction. Then you open the process.

I’m open to extending the transition period — but only until after a proper RFP is conducted, with a hard deadline attached. kpk can throw their hat in the ring like anyone else, submitting a transparent bid.

That said, I won’t support them again. Their conduct here — manipulating this poll while sitting on a glaring conflict of interest — disqualifies them outright.

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This is the way to do it, orderly RFP but with clear deadline to keep momentum.
Without knowing many details but the recent pool/oracle fail I am shocked to see no response in this thread to clarify or participate constructively :man_shrugging:

We do not forget kpk’s (formerly Karpatkey’s) inaccurateperformance reporting.

As a “Treasury Manager” the #1 thing you need to do is accurate (and on time) performance reporting. The #2 thing a Treasury “manager” should try to do is to outperform at least one well known performance index.

There are cases where they have failed both, and on punctuality always.

Make of this what you will and extend your thinking into the other DAOs of the Gnosis ecosystem (Gnosis, JT, Cow, Safe).

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I’ve long been an advocate for dramatically simplifying our treasury operations. Especially in the context of the Balancer hack, where GnosisDAO had 40M deposited — we could have lost 20% of everything, and we avoided losses purely by luck. It’s obvious that performing all these on-chain operations for a theoretical micro-yield makes no sense. On top of that, we’re paying enormous fees, so we’re carrying all the risks while also spending a lot of money, and there’s no realistic scenario where this becomes profitable for us.

Ending these operations is straightforward.

What actually needs to be addressed is the liquidity required for GnosisPay and similar things. Right now, everything is mixed together with all other treasury operations, creating unnecessary chaos. But this is only a small portion of the overall capital that GnosisDAO has.

The optimal solution is to take zero risk with as much of the treasury as possible. Ideally, we should hold everything simply in ETH and stablecoins.

I will vote in favor.

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@Karpatkey given your lack of reply on conflict of interest and employee bot accounts, we ran some numbers for you pro-bono.

If you ever needed a case study in DAO governance capture, GIP-143 has helpfully generated the dataset. Raw data: [ { "username": "0x6f2", "vote": "In Favour", "days_visited": - Pastebin.com

Some stats:

  • Users with zero activity on the forum → 61.9% vote Against termination
  • Users with at least 1 post on the forum → 60.7% vote In Favour of termination

Even the “users with activity” bucket includes Karpatkey employees — who are literally voting on their own firing.

In any normal governance system, that would be called a catastrophic conflict of interest. In DAO governance, it’s called Wednesday.

The Math of Capture

  • Total Against votes: 24
  • At least 18 of those come from KPK employees
  • So 75% of the support for KPK… is KPK

That’s not a voter base; that’s a headcount.

Once you strip away the employees voting on their own KPIs, the vote looks very different:

Among independent users who have actually posted, read, and engaged, support for terminating KPK isn’t just a majority — it’s overwhelming.

The only bloc voting “Against” is the bloc whose pay depends on the outcome.

The vote if we remove the obvious kpk employees (likely the new accounts are also kpk employees, but let’s give them the benefit of the doubt):

GIP-143 doesn’t show a divided community. It shows a clear consensus from independent participants: “Terminate Karpatkey.”

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Can’t totally agree to this cause karpatkey also tried to help shaping the gnosis chain defi system. But while I see the need to do so, details could (imho should) have been disussed here.

Only these additional duties justified the fees they charged, but details, as I asume, have been disussed between ltd and kpk while the DAO was ignored.

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I think we should begin the ceremony to invoke the leaders of Gnosis.

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I am not questioning facts.

I am invested in KPK, as many others within Gnosis and the Gnosis ecosystem. This is public knowledge. GnosisDAO’s stake in KPK is much larger than anyone’s personal stake in KPK.

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Not only that, but it’s safe to assume that any Gnosis team member (especially founders) with a direct stake in KPK, has a stake magnitudes larger in GNO that is more detrimentally affected by the underperformance than they would be by the benefits to their KPK stake.

I don’t think there is any misalignment from Gnosis team members on this issue and look forward to seeing the snapshot go live shortly.

It’s pretty weird how Gnosis publishes declarations about their values, such as their community, etc., but you barely ever see them conversing with the everyday person.

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Please find the snapshot vote for this proposal here. Voting will last for 7 days, ending 2025-11-24T00:00:00Z.

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lmao, peak community ngl. Good for you guys. Finally fighting back on those DAO slush funds.
Nature is healing.

There’s been a lot of tension between token holders and kpk for legitimate reasons.

  • The debate over GIP-58 (increasing kpk’s fee from 3% to 20% of yield) was highly contentious. Critics argued the fee was too high.
  • Token holders have often complained that kpk’s complex reporting lack clear benchmarks and financial transparency. KPIs are not clearly stated. Without clear treasury stats (GNO buyback and burn stats, sDAI yield stats along with GNO staking stats) the value prop of GNO remains unclear.
  • I myself have been frustrated with the lack of comms from the kpk team especially with regards to DAO governance. As a large holder of delegated GNO, kpk should strive to operate with complete transparency especially if they choose to delegate out their delegated GNO.
  • kpk has at times chosen to disregard the governance process and re-do GIPs causing token holders to question the legitimacy of the governance process all together.
  • The community has questioned whether kpk’s treasury strategies prioritized DeFi yield over Gnosis Chain ecosystem needs, which has been voiced in the comments to this proposal.

kpk’s a long-term partner of Gnosis and I hold the team in high regard. That said, this frustrating relationship has at times negatively impacted the reputation of the GnosisDAO due to a lack of transparency around kpk’s decisions. I hope that kpk takes the opportunity to proactively address the concerns of the community that have been clearly communicated here.

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We have created a futarchy market on whether Gnosis should approve GIP-143.

It now has significant liquidity, 250k$ concentrated in +/- 20%, in the markets for GNO price conditional on approving GIP-143.

https://app.futarchy.fi/markets/0xa28614aa999117C555757D56A8178F271C24d7BA

Those in favor of the proposal can now buy GNO on the “YES” market, and get their money back if the proposal fails, or sell their GNO on the “NO” market, and get their tokens back if the proposal passes.

Those against can buy GNO on the “NO” market, and get their money back if the proposal passes, or sell GNO on the “YES” market, and get their tokens back if the proposal fails.

Currently YES trading at +0.18% impact.

There is an ongoing proposal for GnosisDAO to fund futarchy markets with 100k of liquidity, which has not yet been voted on. This market was created with liquidity from third parties.

Would be very keep on answering any questions regarding futarchy, getting feedback from you, including whether this is useful in the discussion about this proposal.

I see many members in the community very strongly in favor of the proposal, but also afraid the proposal will not pass. I’d like to invite those that think so to buy GNO in the “YES” markets, or to sell GNO in the “NO” markets – if you’re right you can make a profit, hedging yourself from the risk the proposal is not adopted. Of course, those that think differently can trade the other way!

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My comment got flaged by the community for inappropriate language.
Guess I am pushing it sometimes.
But it’s really easy to see through who you all are. I mean cmon.

Okay, let’s stick to the facts. You got a huge conflict of interest. And so got all these people of kpk.
A reasonable person, one with values, would do the following. Maybe a tip for the future.

Either, you remove yourself completly. Which would be the best for you here.
Or, in case of the leadership team. You would ask, honestly, transparently, ask.

Something along the line of. Hey guys, I have a conflict of interest here.
I should remove myself here, but I want to know, if you want my input any way.
This is open to you all. If you say no, I move on with my life and execute whatever is decided here.

Maybe something to work on in the future. To push this Ego, Greed and Envy a little down. Calming it.
You all got more than enough. More than anyone could ever need in their life.
Yes, you got all this vision and cool stuff. Fair. There are limits, and you are past those already.
Take the hit, deal with it. It’s just a number on a screen. Goes for kpk too here, of course.

For kpk, if they are for real and want to actually be honest here. Just come out.
People even asked for it basically. Ask the community what their concerns are.
They even want you to answer. Ask them. Should we make a statement addressing all of it.
Or do you prefer a AMA on a stream. Where you can see us to go over all of this?
Ngl that would be such a huge personal touch. Something missing here sometimes.
Maybe make a vote about it. Just engage with people really. It’s possible it’s a huge misunderstanding.

There is a world were you could say: Hey, we need return xy in order to make this sustainable.
We already had to pay 100k and we cannot sustain more of these in the future.
The returns you are all asking for are not sustainable. They only work in a bull cycle.
Only in a world with huge gambling addiction.
Plus, the risk profile is something we are not willing to maintain.
Fair reaction and very fair concern. Making it up the community what path they take.

Instead everyone chooses to be afraid of the world.
Everyone treats these things as their personal piggy bank.
I thought we had a vision here. At some point it’s lost.
You are all pretty close to losing the vision here.
Do you even see that yourself? How you became corrupt.

That’s actually the saddest part about this. By thinking you are doing the right thing.
You are going against the very thing we were once supposed to fight here.
Might be worth thinking about for the future. Everyone does mistakes after all.
Goes for the community too btw. Reaching for the start with high yields in Gnosis Pay etc.

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Statement from kpk

As the leader of kpk I want to address the community directly and provide a full account of the work we carried out, how the scope expanded, which responsibilities we absorbed, the decisions we made on fees, and how we intend to move forward with a narrower mandate and clear KPIs. My objective is factual clarity.


History and how the scope expanded

When we began working with Gnosis, the scope was not tightly defined. Treasury management was the starting point, but operational gaps kept opening across the umbrella of organisations. We stepped in because critical systems needed continuity.

The first major gap came with the early exit of the xDAI team. Later, the early exit of Gnosis Builders created an even larger vacuum. In both cases, we took over essential operations because they were failing due to external events. None of these responsibilities were part of the original mandate or compensated as additional scope.

The work included bridge infrastructure and liquidity operations, business development work, onboarding and integrating DeFi protocols, contract and legal processes, Gnosis Pay cashback operations under GIP-110 (GIP-110: Should the Gnosis DAO create and fund a Gnosis Pay rewards program with 10k GNO?), and building the sDAI product that became instrumental for bootstrapping the Gnosis Chain DeFi ecosystem (Deposit DAI of the xDAI bridge in sDAI vault from Spark). We also built and led the Spanish-speaking community, which enabled us to list Gnosis Chain across multiple Latam centralised exchanges.

We created and maintained a suite of agents to automate operations and provide reliability, consistency and predictability across the system. We also developed, with Hypernative, an execution app to protect DAO funds.

GIP-58 allowed broad support but did not set limits. “Treasury management” became a placeholder for whatever operational gaps emerged, and it produced confusion about what our actual mandate was.


Fee structure and communication failures

Across these years we kept a large team of engineers, governance specialists, legal and ops staff to cover the expanded responsibilities. Where we failed was communication. We did not explain our decisions with the consistency the DAO deserved.

Some facts remained unknown to the community:

• Early 2024, when GNO price appreciation amplified fees under GIP-58, we proactively removed the GNO, SAFE, COW and OLAS components from the fee base and stopped charging for idle holdings.

• By November 2024, after discussions with large tokenholders, we imposed a management fee cap of two million dollars per year.

• Every fee reduction was implemented before any public pressure and always in consultation with large tokenholders.

• We never created new GIPs for any of these changes because they were cost-reduction initiatives for the DAO, not scope expansions or attempts to increase compensation.

• We absorbed major operational responsibilities left behind by other teams without contract adjustments or additional compensation.

We should have delivered structured updates and clear reporting cycles. That will now be standard practice.

There was also a misalignment of expectations. Some expected the treasury to take on more risk to chase higher DeFi returns. Our approach prioritised capital preservation and stability while supporting core Gnosis products. FX rails were not an investment thesis. They were infrastructure required for Gnosis Pay to function, designed for user liquidity in EUR, BRL and GBP-USD. Bootstrapping them carried low short-term returns due to low volumes. These were product-support decisions, not yield decisions.


Motivation and alignment

My commitment is grounded in the Gnosis founders. Working with Stefan, Friederike and Martin over the last six years set the bar for discipline, integrity and alignment with Ethereum and Gnosis values. This alignment is reflected in our own position: kpk holds ten thousand GNO, has never sold a token, and remains bullish on the Gnosis powerhouse.

Our execution record across these five years is verifiable. What we commit to now is a narrower, measurable, accountable mandate.


What we will never handle again

To eliminate scope creep completely, kpk will no longer handle any responsibilities related to communications, marketing, governance, chain-infrastructure provider contracts, legal advice or engineering, or business development. The new mandate is treasury and liquidity, measured, transparent, nothing else.

All processes we manage today are documented and portable. No critical function relies solely on our internal knowledge.


What we are proposing now

We have submitted a proposal with a tightly defined scope limited to treasury operations and onchain liquidity management. It includes concrete KPIs on efficiency, automation and reporting, with a six-month window for measurable improvements. Our internal structure has already been reorganised to address the weaknesses and criticism raised by the community.

We commit to deliver the required results in the next six months, and if we fail to meet them, we will step out early after that period.

Proposal link: Kpk Terms of Service - November 2025


Next steps

Regardless of the vote, we will secure an orderly transition. Yield and liquidity operations will continue normally, and all contracts that support Gnosis Chain and Gnosis Pay will be honoured. Operational stability will be maintained throughout.

If the community needs further detail on specific processes or historical decisions, I will provide it.

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Now that you showed up. One genuine question. At what point the payroll fell under karpatkey itself and removed from the expenditures of Gnosis LTD?

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I think that this is great. It would have been a lot better before the GIP went live, but it’s a start at least. That being said, you message is still quite vague. For example:

Which parts exactly? It really sounds like you’re taking credit for all of it, which is disingenuous at best. It would also be great to see concrete examples of what your business development brought to Gnosis, as this has historically been quite opaque in my opinion, not only from kpk.

Based on this quote, I feel like I also have to dig a bit more into at least the following points:

Do you have any specifics about these responsibilities?

Are there concrete metrics on this side? From what I’m reading here, this is the most criticized part after all. It’s well documented that there has been a lot of issues with liquidity, and it looks like the DAO’s funds were not so well protected recently with the Balancer hack and the sDAI pool mishap.

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I don’t quite get it — everyone criticizes your incompetence in handling finances, and you want to stop absolutely everything except financial management?

Are you high?

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Can @ernst @StefanGeorge or @mkoeppelmann confirm that kpk proactively reduced fees, with no one ever raising this matter beforehand? It’s easy to lie about matters that aren’t publicly verifiable.

And here’s the rub: karpatkey simultaneously continues charging 2% AUM on the joint Gnosis-Safe treasury for what appears to be precisely zero value-add. Hard to square that circle with the narrative of selfless fee reduction.

“We absorbed major operational responsibilities… without additional compensation” = scope expansion
“No scope expansion” = also their position, apparently

Pick one. You can’t simultaneously claim credit for doing more while insisting you did exactly what was agreed.

The risk-free rate exists. Karpatkey doesn’t beat it while taking materially more risk. That’s the whole ballgame. Everything else is noise.

When someone tells you they prioritize “capital preservation and stability” while failing to achieve what literal government bonds deliver, you’re not dealing with conservative portfolio management. You’re dealing with underperformance dressed up in risk-management language.

Karpatkey positions itself as a conservative, capital-preservation-focused manager. Yet the portfolio includes substantial positions in GHO, overweight in Balancer, and other projects karpatkey manages or has managed.

The charitable interpretation: these are sound treasury investments that happen to align with other karpatkey relationships.

The less charitable interpretation: karpatkey uses Gnosis treasury capital as a loss leader to win mandates elsewhere, creating a principal-agent problem where GNO holders subsidize karpatkey’s business development. They even advertise this openly via their “DeFi Treasury Network.”

How does concentrating and holding positions in protocols you manage fit into any coherent risk framework? It doesn’t. It fits into a business development framework.

Technically true. That’s precisely the problem.

Finally, one question for you @claberus did you personally direct your employees to use their forum accounts to vote against the poll? If so, could you elaborate on your stance on conflict of interest and fiduciary duty to the DAO? Looking forward to your reply thanks.

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